It seems in these two essays that both the DDS and Nettime had one fundamental problem in common, a lack of structure. The Digital City had no form of internal government with which to regulate and preserve it's systems, at least in its earliest forms. In the same way, Nettime was just a flux of meetings and opinions. Though real world gatherings of Nettime subscribers were quite common, the lack of organization in the virtual space led too a few near shutdowns, and its eventual end. Could a greater structure of organization, rather than sticking to the completely free democratic ideals of the new cyberspace, have saved such forums for introspection? Or, due to the fact that both systems would rely too much on the trust of their respective users, could they ever be a complete success?